Tulpa.info - metaphysics

In some form, maybe in another universe

Eh :p

Just fascinating to think about. Doesn't matter if I'm wrong, because we won't ever know for sure

I think the "opposite" of physics is just non-existence of time and space

Nothingness

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A wacky concept

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I wonder if there's a such thing as anti existence

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There's existence and non-existence

Well yeah. Waking life, vs sleep/death

Those are two aspects of existence actually

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The latter is a higher state in my opinion

Ehh :D

Death doesn't mean you don't exist anymore, you just change states

Thats wildly hypothetical

So is this channel

Much more likely that its just the absence of ezoerience

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experience*

that's why we're here isn't it? to talk about hypothetical concepts?

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this is the metaphysics channel

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lol

Sure, I just dont see a reason to assume there would be an experience after the organism has died

it's a metaphysical idea

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life after death

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:)

Sure, just wondering why one would believe that

because if you think about the fact that you exist

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and if you enjoy that this is true

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and then you discover that one day you'll cease

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you would probably think

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gosh

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i don't wanna die

What if you die, anyway?

that's beside the point

Lol

humans for millenia have dreamed up afterlives because they can't deal with the harsh reality that one day they will in fact die

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as all things do

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entropy

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the point of death isn't to scare people really

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it's to get people to appreciate the life they have

Now we're talking, haha

as a person who has had a near death experience, i can tell you that people who are suicidal will not escape their problems if they try to take their life

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one, the act creates more problems

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two, the problems you experience go with you

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in my near death experience i still felt like shit

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felt worse actually

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my personal deities were pretty pissed

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and it didn't solve anything

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still woke up in the hospital, wondering how the hell my body withstood 4000mg of a mood stabilizer

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so yeah

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life is a gift

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appreciate it or you will literally feel like crap

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this is basic philosophy

I think its possible that these near-death experiences, once you actually die, could feel like they last for months and years. But I do think theyre the "last" part of the experience, after which you rest in the dreamless sleep you "experienced" every night of your life. Consciousness/"God" in its off state

This may be true

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However, I still like to think that there's something more to it all

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Gives me hope

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A sense of purpose, a reason to exist

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That I'm not just a product of an accident of evolutionary and scientific causation

I think the best assumption to make is that there would be no reason that the after-death state would be any different from the pre-birth state, from which I have no memory, meaning the absence of experience

well, as a tulpa, you wouldn't have anything before

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because in theory this is your first go around

Im actually a host, but IMO hosts are just older tulpas, anyway

oh, my bad

No prob

This conversation is too interesting, had to switch to the PC lol

"wHaT iF gOd iS a CoLLeCtiVe TuLpA" (edited)

However, I still like to think that there's something more to it all Gives me hope A sense of purpose, a reason to exist

This "hope" for something more, the afterlife as a reason to exist, IMO is another subtle form of unhappiness, of discontent with life as it presents in this moment

yeah

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pretty existentially discontented (edited)

That I'm not just a product of an accident of evolutionary and scientific causation

The word "just" may not be applicable here. Calling a spade a spade doesn't make the spade any less profound

True

What else would you be, if not just that, anyway?

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You're the universe, expanded into billions of stars, a planet made of stardust which has given birth to life, which evolved to give rise to you, so you can have this present-moment experience

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pretty existentially discontented

Have you read some of the framework describing happiness that I've been laying out in this channel?

No, I haven't. I arrived to this server less than a week ago lol

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I found a poem from the early 1800s that pretty much sums up this hope

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It's called the Psalm of Life by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

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It's basically saying that we should make the most of the short time we have on Earth and live well doing something we are passionate about

No, I haven't. I arrived to this server less than a week ago lol

My bad haha

I did that tatsumaki fortune command in my friends server

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just a minute ago

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literally got this: "I just forgot my whole philosophy on life!"

Hahaha

I swear

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Every time

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Something on topic

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Not even joking, it's like the bot is sentient

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Maybe all those fortunes it told gave them sight

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I always make an effort to tell tatsumaki "fuck you" when it's a fortune that's too on topic

So this framework I mentioned is the clearest description of (un)happiness in life I've ever come across. It's basically a summary in plain English of a traditional Hindu school of thought called non-duality. Let me give a three-sentence summary

Tatsumaki: "To deserve happiness is to give happiness" Me: "You contradictory son of a bitch"

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Non duality

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That's some shit I can comprehend when I'm high a lot easier

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I know about it a bit

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It's really hard to wrap my head around but I know how to use it as a tool

Non-duality is really often worded too esoterically IMO

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Here's IMO the best summary of what it's really about

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What we're really seeking is the end of unhappiness, which is a psychological attitude that manifests as 1. guilt, 2. blame, 3. pride, 4. worry, and 5. expectation. This unhappiness is the result of believing that 1) people could act any differently than they actually do, and that 2) pleasure completes me/makes me happy, whereas pain is an attack on who I am. When these beliefs are recognized to be completely inaccurate, unhappiness dissolves, leaving in its place peace of mind regardless of circumstantial pleasure or pain.

For example, I achieved a state of mind-body dualism via subconscious programming. That's been helpful with my meditation. I was thinking of how it would work if I non-dualize it to the mind. Basically, everyone sees their experience as in their body, through their eyes etc. What if I reversed the concept in my mind, effectively seeing the experience of reality as a mental thing, and unifying the entire experience as nondual

What if I reversed the concept in my mind, effectively seeing the experience of reality as a mental thing, and unifying the entire experience as nondual

Yeah, this is what often happens on the "spiritual seeking" path. The recognition that the entire experience is unified. Sight, sound, touch, smell, taste, as well as thoughts and emotions, all arise within our conscious experience